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A post-election message from our publisher.
I often get asked why High Country News, a magazine that covers environmental and social issues, is based in a place like this. Why not Boulder or Portland? Because, I say, you can't really understand the West, or the nation as a whole, if you don't understand its rural communities. And you can't really understand rural communities unless you live in one.
The incoming Trump administration will be the ninth High Country News has covered since we began in 1970. The first was Richard Nixon, a conservative Republican who ironically passed the most significant environmental laws in history. They included a Clean Air Act that made western Colorado’s relatively clean coal marketable to Eastern and Midwestern utilities, providing thousands of miners and their families, some of them my neighbors, with good-paying jobs for decades.
What will a Trump administration mean for the West and the country? Can he bring back the coal mining jobs being lost to markets that favor natural gas and renewables? Will he accelerate oil and gas drilling on the public lands to pay for badly needed infrastructure projects? Will he rescind historic climate change compacts and national monuments forged by the Obama administration? Will he build a bigger wall on the Mexican border and drastically change our immigration policies? Will protest movements blossom as never before?
Wherever the storyline goes, HCN will be there, because we are in this for the long haul. Over the coming months and years, our dedicated reporters will monitor the changes a Trump administration brings, digging into the nitty-gritty details and examining how the new government plays out in our communities, both urban and rural. We will provide you with all the context we can muster, so you can understand not just what is happening today, but why. And we will continue to follow stories of progress on the ground, many of which have little to do with the machinations of administrations and Congress, but instead rely on the creativity and perseverance of Americans like you.
Despite Trump's campaign rhetoric – much of it laced with meanness, bigotry and bravado – we know from our history that the things that presidents say they will do are quite different than what they can actually do. Even Ronald Reagan's apocalyptic Interior secretary, James Watt, and George W. Bush's vice president, Dick Cheney, could not reshape the public lands to fulfill their extraction-heavy dreams. Bedrock environmental laws and a citizenry vigorously exercising its constitutional right to speak and protest tempered their wilder proposals.
As I pulled into town at the end of my drive, a single light winked high on the dark mountains; normally, you don't see any lights on the national forest. But then I remembered that it is rifle season, and no doubt some hunters were returning to their camp after a glorious day in the public's woods. There's a chance these hunters and I had different views at the ballot box, but there's an even better chance that we share more values in common than not. It is my hope that we'll all move forward on protecting those shared values.
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CAMPAIGN 2016
Trump's son woos sportsmen, covets top job at Interior
As Donald Trump seeks to win over skeptical Republicans on
Capitol Hill and fence-sitting voters, he seems to have wooed
one important voting bloc: sportsmen.
Capitol Hill and fence-sitting voters, he seems to have wooed
one important voting bloc: sportsmen.
With the help of his son, Donald Jr., an avid sportsman and
ambassador for the campaign, Trump Sr. is saying all the
right things to America's hunters and anglers. He's capturing
endorsements and positive reviews from sportsmen's trade
publications -- hook, line and sinker.
ambassador for the campaign, Trump Sr. is saying all the
right things to America's hunters and anglers. He's capturing
endorsements and positive reviews from sportsmen's trade
publications -- hook, line and sinker.
The Trump campaign has pledged to nominate a hunter to
lead the Fish and Wildlife Service, aggressively fight lawsuits
by anti-hunting groups, make wildlife habitat more productive,
and control predators like wolves that prey on game species
like elk.
lead the Fish and Wildlife Service, aggressively fight lawsuits
by anti-hunting groups, make wildlife habitat more productive,
and control predators like wolves that prey on game species
like elk.
Most notably, Trump in January broke from the GOP
establishment by pledging to oppose efforts to transfer
federal lands to states, gaining plaudits from sportsmen
across the political spectrum who oppose the privatization
of federal lands, fearing it would reduce places to hunt and
fish.
establishment by pledging to oppose efforts to transfer
federal lands to states, gaining plaudits from sportsmen
across the political spectrum who oppose the privatization
of federal lands, fearing it would reduce places to hunt and
fish.
"It says he is smart," wrote editor Mike Schoby in a Jan. 31
article in Petersen's Huntingendorsing Trump for president
. "It says he realizes that 13 million hunters and 80 million
gun owners represent a large voting block, one that will
likely agree with his policies on hunting and protection of
Second Amendment rights."
article in Petersen's Huntingendorsing Trump for president
. "It says he realizes that 13 million hunters and 80 million
gun owners represent a large voting block, one that will
likely agree with his policies on hunting and protection of
Second Amendment rights."
Yet some Republicans say Trump's public lands platform is
alienating potential allies, particularly those in Congress and
industry who oppose the federal government's massive
landholdings and believe states could better manage
them for activities like drilling, mining and logging. By
catering heavily to hunters and anglers, Trump may be
shooting himself in the foot.
alienating potential allies, particularly those in Congress and
industry who oppose the federal government's massive
landholdings and believe states could better manage
them for activities like drilling, mining and logging. By
catering heavily to hunters and anglers, Trump may be
shooting himself in the foot.
"They have made the calculation that the hook-and-bullet
crowd is the relevant demographic here, but the reality is
the professional hook-and-bullet crowd is a small group
compared to [those who care] about federal land
management in the West," said Mike McKenna, a GOP
strategist and energy lobbyist. "I can't think of a single
issue other than this one where he's so far out over his skis."
crowd is the relevant demographic here, but the reality is
the professional hook-and-bullet crowd is a small group
compared to [those who care] about federal land
management in the West," said Mike McKenna, a GOP
strategist and energy lobbyist. "I can't think of a single
issue other than this one where he's so far out over his skis."
Key questions remain over how Trump would manage
the roughly 640 million acres under the control of the
executive branch primarily through the Bureau of Land
Management, the Forest Service, FWS and the National
Park Service.
the roughly 640 million acres under the control of the
executive branch primarily through the Bureau of Land
Management, the Forest Service, FWS and the National
Park Service.
Would Trump roll back Obama administration oil and
gas leasing reforms designed to keep drilling farther from
national parks and backcountry areas while tightening
regulations on hydraulic fracturing? Would he dismantle
Obama's sage grouse plan by loosening restrictions on
drilling, mining and grazing? What kind of influence would
Trump exert on Endangered Species Act decisions that
can affect hunters and energy companies?
gas leasing reforms designed to keep drilling farther from
national parks and backcountry areas while tightening
regulations on hydraulic fracturing? Would he dismantle
Obama's sage grouse plan by loosening restrictions on
drilling, mining and grazing? What kind of influence would
Trump exert on Endangered Species Act decisions that
can affect hunters and energy companies?
Trump's silence on these issues has made industry officials
and Capitol Hill Republicans wary.
and Capitol Hill Republicans wary.
"It's almost impossible to know where Donald Trump
stands on the issues," said Kathleen Sgamma, vice
president of government and public affairs for the
Denver-based Western Energy Alliance, a regional trade
group that advocates for public lands drilling.
stands on the issues," said Kathleen Sgamma, vice
president of government and public affairs for the
Denver-based Western Energy Alliance, a regional trade
group that advocates for public lands drilling.
"As a New Yorker, he doesn't have the innate understanding
of how much of the West is owned by the federal government,
and how communities surrounded by public lands and the
states are better stewards of the land than the federal
government," she said. "I think the key to his public lands
policies will be who is advising him."
of how much of the West is owned by the federal government,
and how communities surrounded by public lands and the
states are better stewards of the land than the federal
government," she said. "I think the key to his public lands
policies will be who is advising him."
Interior Secretary Trump?
Trump doesn't claim to know much about public lands, much
less hunting and angling.
less hunting and angling.
On those issues, he has largely deferred to Donald Jr.,
the 38-year-old executive vice president of the Trump
Organization, who has hunted all over the world.
the 38-year-old executive vice president of the Trump
Organization, who has hunted all over the world.
Sportsmen advocates say the younger Trump is the real deal.
Trump Jr. said he's a board member of the Boone and
Crockett Club and a member of Ducks Unlimited and
Trout Unlimited. He's a lifetime member of the National
Rifle Association and Backcountry Hunters and Anglers,
groups that at times have been polar opposites on the
public lands policy spectrum.
Crockett Club and a member of Ducks Unlimited and
Trout Unlimited. He's a lifetime member of the National
Rifle Association and Backcountry Hunters and Anglers,
groups that at times have been polar opposites on the
public lands policy spectrum.
After graduating from the Wharton School of the University
of Pennsylvania, the alma mater of his father, Trump Jr.
moved to Colorado to bartend so he could hunt and fish;
he once spent 28 days in the mountains chasing elk with
a bow, he has told multiple news outlets. He said he makes
delicious venison meat sauce for his wife and kids.
of Pennsylvania, the alma mater of his father, Trump Jr.
moved to Colorado to bartend so he could hunt and fish;
he once spent 28 days in the mountains chasing elk with
a bow, he has told multiple news outlets. He said he makes
delicious venison meat sauce for his wife and kids.
In his interview with Petersen's, Trump Jr. said he'd like to
be the next secretary of the Interior Department, the agency
that controls one-fifth of the nation's landmass and almost all
of the oceans. Trump Sr. said his sons (Eric Trump is also
an experienced hunter) are already helping shape his platform.
be the next secretary of the Interior Department, the agency
that controls one-fifth of the nation's landmass and almost all
of the oceans. Trump Sr. said his sons (Eric Trump is also
an experienced hunter) are already helping shape his platform.
"You can be assured that if I'm not directly involved, I'm going
to be that very, very loud voice in his ear," Trump Jr. told
Petersen's. "Between my brother and myself, no one
understands the issues better than us. No one in politics
lives the lifestyle more than us."
to be that very, very loud voice in his ear," Trump Jr. told
Petersen's. "Between my brother and myself, no one
understands the issues better than us. No one in politics
lives the lifestyle more than us."
The younger Trump has waged a media blitz to get that
message to American hunters. He shared a pheasant
hunt in January with reporters from The Washington Post,
The New York Times and CNN, and spoke with The
New Yorker. He has aggressively courted the hunting
and angling trade publications, giving exclusive
interviews to Field & Stream, Bowhunter Magazine
and Deer & Deer Hunting and the websites
Bowsite.com and Wide Open Spaces.
message to American hunters. He shared a pheasant
hunt in January with reporters from The Washington Post,
The New York Times and CNN, and spoke with The
New Yorker. He has aggressively courted the hunting
and angling trade publications, giving exclusive
interviews to Field & Stream, Bowhunter Magazine
and Deer & Deer Hunting and the websites
Bowsite.com and Wide Open Spaces.
In January, Trump Sr. was the only presidential
candidate to speak at the National Shooting Sports
Foundation's annual Shooting, Hunting, and Outdoor
Trade Show in Las Vegas. On May 20, Trump will
speak at NRA's Institute for Legislative Action
Leadership Forum in Louisville, Ky.
candidate to speak at the National Shooting Sports
Foundation's annual Shooting, Hunting, and Outdoor
Trade Show in Las Vegas. On May 20, Trump will
speak at NRA's Institute for Legislative Action
Leadership Forum in Louisville, Ky.
How this outreach will affect Trump Sr.'s election
chances against Hillary Clinton, the favorite for the
Democratic nomination, remains unclear, since the
hook-and-bullet crowd is hard to put in a political box.
chances against Hillary Clinton, the favorite for the
Democratic nomination, remains unclear, since the
hook-and-bullet crowd is hard to put in a political box.
Mark Damian Duda, executive director of
Responsive Management, a Harrisonburg, Va.,
recreation research firm, said he has performed a
couple of studies on the political affiliations of
sportsmen over the past year, but that the results are
confidential.
Responsive Management, a Harrisonburg, Va.,
recreation research firm, said he has performed a
couple of studies on the political affiliations of
sportsmen over the past year, but that the results are
confidential.
An Interior survey in 2012 estimated more than 90
million people hunted, fished or watched wildlife in
2011, reversing a 20-year decline in wildlife-related
recreation (E&ENews PM, Aug. 15, 2012). Of
those, 13.7 million Americans hunted and 33 million
fished, up roughly 10 percent from the previous
survey in 2006.
million people hunted, fished or watched wildlife in
2011, reversing a 20-year decline in wildlife-related
recreation (E&ENews PM, Aug. 15, 2012). Of
those, 13.7 million Americans hunted and 33 million
fished, up roughly 10 percent from the previous
survey in 2006.
Trump Sr.'s natural resources platform could
resonate with many voters in public lands states,
including swing states like Colorado, Nevada and
New Mexico.
resonate with many voters in public lands states,
including swing states like Colorado, Nevada and
New Mexico.
While some hunters will be skeptical of Trump Sr.
, a Manhattanite, more will be wary of Clinton,
nother New Yorker who has said much less to
reassure gun owners and sportsmen, said Bill
Horn, a former Reagan administration Interior
official who is now an attorney with the U.S.
Sportsmen's Alliance.
, a Manhattanite, more will be wary of Clinton,
nother New Yorker who has said much less to
reassure gun owners and sportsmen, said Bill
Horn, a former Reagan administration Interior
official who is now an attorney with the U.S.
Sportsmen's Alliance.
"I can't think of a single instance where Clinton
did anything that could be conceived as pro-hunting
and fishing," Horn said. "I think there's going to
be an enormous amount of apprehension."
did anything that could be conceived as pro-hunting
and fishing," Horn said. "I think there's going to
be an enormous amount of apprehension."
Yet Trump's rejection of federal land transfers is
a sign that the issue will not be a partisan wedge
in the election. It's forced some tough conversations
within sportsmen's groups whose policy platforms
have historically aligned with Democrats.
a sign that the issue will not be a partisan wedge
in the election. It's forced some tough conversations
within sportsmen's groups whose policy platforms
have historically aligned with Democrats.
"To his credit, he was willing to be very vocal
about [land transfers] in the primaries," said
Whit Fosburgh, CEO of the Theodore Roosevelt
Conservation Partnership, which does not
endorse presidential candidates. "The
Republican primaries were a repudiation
of that nonsensical thinking that we need to
get rid of public lands. We consider ourselves
the victors of that primary."
about [land transfers] in the primaries," said
Whit Fosburgh, CEO of the Theodore Roosevelt
Conservation Partnership, which does not
endorse presidential candidates. "The
Republican primaries were a repudiation
of that nonsensical thinking that we need to
get rid of public lands. We consider ourselves
the victors of that primary."
Unanswered questions
Yet like other Trump policies, his natural
resources platform has been criticized as
vague and fluid.
resources platform has been criticized as
vague and fluid.
On Jan. 21, Trump told Field &
Stream he opposed federal land transfers
"because I want to keep the lands great."
Stream he opposed federal land transfers
"because I want to keep the lands great."
"You don't know what the state is going to
do," he said. "I mean, are they going to sell
if they get into a little bit of trouble?"
do," he said. "I mean, are they going to sell
if they get into a little bit of trouble?"
Yet in an op-ed that month in the Reno
Gazette-Journal, the candidate slammed
the "draconian rule of the BLM" in a piece
clearly aimed at courting Nevada voters
who bristle at the federal government's 85
percent ownership of the Silver State.
Gazette-Journal, the candidate slammed
the "draconian rule of the BLM" in a piece
clearly aimed at courting Nevada voters
who bristle at the federal government's 85
percent ownership of the Silver State.
"In the rural areas, those who for decades
have had access to public lands for ranching,
mining, logging and energy development are
forced to deal with arbitrary and capricious
rules that are influenced by special interests
that profit from the D.C. rule-making and who
fill the campaign coffers of Washington politicians
," Trump wrote. "Because the BLM is so reluctant
to release land to local disposition in Nevada, the
cost of land has skyrocketed and the cost of living
has become an impediment to growth."
have had access to public lands for ranching,
mining, logging and energy development are
forced to deal with arbitrary and capricious
rules that are influenced by special interests
that profit from the D.C. rule-making and who
fill the campaign coffers of Washington politicians
," Trump wrote. "Because the BLM is so reluctant
to release land to local disposition in Nevada, the
cost of land has skyrocketed and the cost of living
has become an impediment to growth."
Sam Clovis, a Trump policy adviser, told the
Associated Press this month that Trump supports
"shared governance" of federal lands between
federal agencies and state and local governments
and backs transfers of federal lands near cities that
are not prime hunting or fishing grounds.
Associated Press this month that Trump supports
"shared governance" of federal lands between
federal agencies and state and local governments
and backs transfers of federal lands near cities that
are not prime hunting or fishing grounds.
It's a more nuanced position that could appease
sportsmen and anti-federal lands lawmakers alike.
sportsmen and anti-federal lands lawmakers alike.
In his interview with Petersen's, Trump Jr. said his
father's administration would use the proceeds of
some land sales to promote wildlife and conservation,
such as by purchasing private ranches to open access.
It would use the money it spends defending lawsuits
filed by "radical environmental groups" to increase the
size of game herds.
father's administration would use the proceeds of
some land sales to promote wildlife and conservation,
such as by purchasing private ranches to open access.
It would use the money it spends defending lawsuits
filed by "radical environmental groups" to increase the
size of game herds.
"I want to change some laws and better invest current
money to make our lands more productive, while having
fewer wildfires," he said. "Well-managed lands, with
thinned timber, food plots and habitat improvements
that help animals would be the goal."
money to make our lands more productive, while having
fewer wildfires," he said. "Well-managed lands, with
thinned timber, food plots and habitat improvements
that help animals would be the goal."
On other issues -- particularly Trump Sr.'s dismissal
of human-caused climate change and his pledge to
eliminate U.S. EPA -- sportsmen are scratching their
heads, Fosburgh said.
of human-caused climate change and his pledge to
eliminate U.S. EPA -- sportsmen are scratching their
heads, Fosburgh said.
"It's not like Donald Trump is a dream conservation
candidate," he said.
candidate," he said.
Trump's support of federal lands is merely the start
of a "much deeper conversation we need to have
about how we balance competing uses," Fosburgh said.
of a "much deeper conversation we need to have
about how we balance competing uses," Fosburgh said.
While Trump told Field & Stream he's "very much
into energy, and I'm very much into going and fracking
and drilling" and believes new technologies can facilitate
oil and gas production with a smaller footprint, industry
heads are not champing at the bit to support him.
into energy, and I'm very much into going and fracking
and drilling" and believes new technologies can facilitate
oil and gas production with a smaller footprint, industry
heads are not champing at the bit to support him.
"The general pitch of the Trump crowd is the public
lands policy of the United States is fine as it is,"
said McKenna, the energy lobbyist. "I'm assuming
he's serious that he's going to be every bit as bad
on federal land management as the Obama guys."
lands policy of the United States is fine as it is,"
said McKenna, the energy lobbyist. "I'm assuming
he's serious that he's going to be every bit as bad
on federal land management as the Obama guys."
More details on Trump's energy policy may be
revealed on May 26, when he's scheduled to
deliver a keynote address to the Williston Basin
Petroleum Conference in Bismarck, N.D., which
focuses heavily on drilling in the Bakken region.
revealed on May 26, when he's scheduled to
deliver a keynote address to the Williston Basin
Petroleum Conference in Bismarck, N.D., which
focuses heavily on drilling in the Bakken region.
Western Republicans on Capitol Hill are hoping
for a Trump energy platform they can rally around.
for a Trump energy platform they can rally around.
"When he talks about the impacts of regulations and
mandates and taxes on things, he realizes that's
a drag on using American resources in a way
they should be used," said Sen. John Barrasso
(R-Wyo.). "I think these are areas where he is
absolutely going to be well-united with the Rocky
Mountain West and our energy-producing states
because of the role of energy as a master resource,
and he knows about resources."
mandates and taxes on things, he realizes that's
a drag on using American resources in a way
they should be used," said Sen. John Barrasso
(R-Wyo.). "I think these are areas where he is
absolutely going to be well-united with the Rocky
Mountain West and our energy-producing states
because of the role of energy as a master resource,
and he knows about resources."
Trump's Capitol Hill outreach will ratchet up today
with several meetings scheduled with GOP leaders.
He'll meet with House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.)
in a closed-door session being brokered by
Republican National Committee Chairman
Reince Priebus, Ryan's fellow Wisconsinite,
and then with House and Senate Republican
leaders later in the day.
with several meetings scheduled with GOP leaders.
He'll meet with House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.)
in a closed-door session being brokered by
Republican National Committee Chairman
Reince Priebus, Ryan's fellow Wisconsinite,
and then with House and Senate Republican
leaders later in the day.
Rep. Cynthia Lummis (R-Wyo.) said she does
not expect those meetings to delve deeply
into energy policy, but she's eager to hear
more from the campaign.
not expect those meetings to delve deeply
into energy policy, but she's eager to hear
more from the campaign.
"I very much want to explore his views on drilling
onshore and offshore, on mineral productions,
his views on public lands, his views on federalism a
nd statehood," she said.
onshore and offshore, on mineral productions,
his views on public lands, his views on federalism a
nd statehood," she said.
Lummis endorsed Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) for
president during the GOP primaries, but said
she'll rally around Trump if he's the Republican
nominee.
president during the GOP primaries, but said
she'll rally around Trump if he's the Republican
nominee.
"I am so concerned about who is going to be
supporting the next Supreme Court justice or
justices that I will support the Republican
nominee hook, line and sinker," said Lummis,
who carries a lifetime Wyoming fishing license
in her wallet.
supporting the next Supreme Court justice or
justices that I will support the Republican
nominee hook, line and sinker," said Lummis,
who carries a lifetime Wyoming fishing license
in her wallet.
House Natural Resources Chairman Rob Bishop
(R-Utah), who initially backed Sen. Marco Rubio
(R-Fla.) in the presidential nominating race, said
he has no clue how Trump would handle energy
development on federal lands and waters, but
"I hope to find out."
(R-Utah), who initially backed Sen. Marco Rubio
(R-Fla.) in the presidential nominating race, said
he has no clue how Trump would handle energy
development on federal lands and waters, but
"I hope to find out."
"I do know what the alternative is," he said.
"That's horrific."
"That's horrific."
Environmentalists see a Trump presidency as
a disaster for public lands and the climate.
a disaster for public lands and the climate.
"Donald Trump's policy positions on public lands,
as with most environmental issues, are i
nconsistent at best and cast serious doubt
that he has the knowledge, common sense
and good judgement to be president,' said
Seth Stein, a spokesman for the League of
Conservation Voters. "He has made it clear
he would double down on fossil fuel extraction
from our public lands, at a time when we need
to continue transitioning to a clean energy
economy. Combined with his continued
insistence that climate change is a hoax,
we should rightly fear what a Trump
presidency means for America's public lands."
as with most environmental issues, are i
nconsistent at best and cast serious doubt
that he has the knowledge, common sense
and good judgement to be president,' said
Seth Stein, a spokesman for the League of
Conservation Voters. "He has made it clear
he would double down on fossil fuel extraction
from our public lands, at a time when we need
to continue transitioning to a clean energy
economy. Combined with his continued
insistence that climate change is a hoax,
we should rightly fear what a Trump
presidency means for America's public lands."
Don Barry, a former Interior Department
official during the Clinton administration
and a longtime conservationist, said Trump's
pledge to retain public lands raises another
question: How would he pay to maintain them?
official during the Clinton administration
and a longtime conservationist, said Trump's
pledge to retain public lands raises another
question: How would he pay to maintain them?
Barry, who recently retired from Defenders of
Wildlife, said there are hundreds of national
wildlife refuge units that have no on-the-ground
staff to manage them.
Wildlife, said there are hundreds of national
wildlife refuge units that have no on-the-ground
staff to manage them.
"They're kind of mothballed," he said. "The
refuge system is starving at this point already."
refuge system is starving at this point already."
Barry noted that appropriations for the Land
and Water Conservation Fund, a major priority
of sportsmen, spiked in fiscal 2001, the final
year of Clinton's presidency, but fell for the first
seven years of President George W. Bush's two
terms, except for a small $4 million bump in 2007.
and Water Conservation Fund, a major priority
of sportsmen, spiked in fiscal 2001, the final
year of Clinton's presidency, but fell for the first
seven years of President George W. Bush's two
terms, except for a small $4 million bump in 2007.
Even if Trump wants to keep federal lands, it's
unclear how much political capital he would
spend to achieve that, Barry said. The tradition
of presidents of both parties has been to select
Interior secretaries from the West, where the
crop of available conservative candidates are
generally pro-transfer, Barry said.
unclear how much political capital he would
spend to achieve that, Barry said. The tradition
of presidents of both parties has been to select
Interior secretaries from the West, where the
crop of available conservative candidates are
generally pro-transfer, Barry said.
"My experience over 41 years in this business
is to forget who is in the White House," Barry
said. "Who you need to worry about is who is
in the Cabinet."
is to forget who is in the White House," Barry
said. "Who you need to worry about is who is
in the Cabinet."
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